经济与社会科学2022journals.plos.org
招聘歧视：女性主导职业中男性面临的问题
Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
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这篇论文（实际标题为《招聘中的性别歧视：瑞典案例的实验性再检验》）通过实地实验研究瑞典招聘中的性别歧视问题。研究发现，在清洁工、幼教、护士助理等女性主导的低薪职业中，女性求职者获得雇主积极回应的比例明显高于男性，即男性在这些职业中面临招聘歧视。
HN 关注点：招聘歧视与 DEI（多元平等包容）话题，讨论焦点集中在男性是否在招聘中受到系统性歧视，以及职场中反向歧视的真实案例。
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这几条评论里：补充 2 亲历 2
补充论文中的"歧视男性"仅限于低薪女性主导职业，把它解读为男性整体受害有失偏颇
我的感觉是这里大多数回复只看了标题（论文实际标题是《招聘中的性别歧视：瑞典案例的实验性再检验》）。粗读原文后，所谓"针对男性"的招聘歧视几乎完全来自这一点：在清洁工、幼教、护士助理等女性主导职业中，女性获得雇主积极回应的比例远高于男性，这与各国早前研究结果一致。在我看来，这更像是"雇主倾向于用更多女性来填补这些低地位、低薪、往往很糟糕的岗位"。需要某种特定心态才会把这解读为男性是（唯一）被冤枉的群体。（还是说有数百万男性默默梦想着去清理脏马桶、脏尿布和脏便盆，只是我不知道？）
bell-cot查看英文原文
My sense is that most responses here are only to the title of the submission (the actual article title is "Gender discrimination in hiring: An experimental reexamination of the Swedish case"). Skimming through said actual article, it looks like the "against men" hiring discrimination is ~completely driven by this: "...In female-dominated occupations such as cleaner, childcare provider, preschool teacher, accounting clerk, and enrolled nurse, positive employer response rates were much higher for women than for men. This is in line with earlier findings in different countries..." Which sure sounds to me like "employers try to fill low-status, low-pay, often-crappy female-dominated jobs with yet more females". It takes a certain sort of mindset to react as if men were clearly the (sole) group being wronged by that. (Or do millions of men quietly aspire to jobs cleaning up dirty toilets, dirty diapers, and dirty bedpans, and I'm just ignorant of their dreams?)
补充相比性别歧视，年龄歧视在招聘中更普遍也更少被讨论
职业生涯中我也见过不少以 DEI 之名行歧视之实的情况。但更让我困扰的是年龄歧视。老年人被拒之门外的情况太多了，理由总是"他可能和年轻人合不来""资历架子""资历过高"等，而他们大多完全胜任。我很担心自己到了四五十岁也会遭遇同样的歧视。
nabaraz查看英文原文
During my career, I've seen enough discrimination in the name of DEI as well. But what bothers me more is the ageism. The number of times an old person has been rejected from a job is too damn high. The reasons have always been "he may not work well with young people", "seniority complex", "he is over qualified" etc. Most of the times, they were more than qualified. I fear when I am into 40s or 50s, I will face the same discrimination.
亲历科技行业招聘中存在以 DEI 之名的反向歧视，业内人私下普遍不满但不敢公开说
匿名发言。我乐见更多女性进入科技行业。但几乎所有在科技行业做招聘的人都见过一些有毒的多元化举措，我亲身或间接见过：在申请者95%为男性时仍施压招聘经理多招女性；面试官公开说"可他是个白人男性""我们还要多招白人男性吗"；把全女性团队当作多元化成果来宣传；女性为提升公司 DEI"代表性"而获得薪资溢价。我认为这终将被看清本质，但需要很长时间。我认识的每个科技创始人都觉得这是胡扯，只是不敢公开说。
throwaway0wha8h查看英文原文
Throwaway. I'm happy to have more women in tech and hope it occurs or continues. However, virtually everyone recruiting in tech has observed some toxic diversity initiatives, I would venture. Some examples I have seen personally or one degree removed from me. - pressure on HMs to hire more women despite 95% of applicants being male - people in interview panels openly saying "but he's a white man" / "do we want to hire more white men" etc. - people championing all women teams as a win for diversity - women getting a salary premium to help companies boost DEI "representation" I think eventually this will be shown for what it is, but it will take a long time. Personally every tech founder I know thinks it's bullshit but won't say it in public.
亲历亲历案例：招聘团队抱团只招女性，以"文化契合"为借口拒绝男性
我在一家大型科技创业公司亲眼见过类似情况。招聘团队全是女性（主要是白人），非常抱团，每次录用的都是女性，男性则以"文化不合适"等模糊理由被拒。与此同时她们还在技术部门大力推行 DEI 举措。我想她们从未意识到其中的讽刺。
throwadogabone2查看英文原文
Anecdotally I have seen this in person at a large tech startup. The recruiting team was all women, mainly white, and they were incredibly cliquey. Every hire was a woman. Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.” All while aggressively pushing DEI initiatives and interventions on the tech side. I don’t think the irony of this ever crossed their minds.
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