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前往 Sedna 任务的可行性研究:核推进与太阳帆
Feasibility study of a mission to Sedna – Nuclear propulsion and solar sailing
入门 · 约 45 分钟读完前置知识:基础轨道力学、核聚变基本原理、太阳帆推进概念
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这篇论文是 arXiv 上的一份可行性研究,探讨如何向太阳系边缘的矮行星 Sedna(近日点约 76 AU、远日点超过 500 AU)发射探测器。研究比较了核推进(普林斯顿等离子体物理实验室正在研发的 Direct Fusion Drive)与太阳帆两种方案,并指出 Sedna 将于 2075–2076 年经过近日点,之后再次远离,因此任务最好尽早发射,常规推进则可能需长达 30 年的深空航行。
HN 关注点:HN 读者既被 Sedna 极端的轨道尺度震撼,也在质疑所依赖的 Direct Fusion Drive 究竟能否真正上天并长期可靠运行。
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这几条评论里:支持 1 质疑 1 补充 1 亲历 1
质疑质疑 Direct Fusion Drive 的技术成熟度与长期可靠性。
Sedna 的近日点约 76 AU,是冥王星距离的两倍多,而新视野号飞到冥王星就花了近十年;它的远日点超过 500 AU。论文提到 Direct Fusion Drive 正在普林斯顿等离子体物理实验室研发——可它真的在运转吗?离成功还有多远?就算明年能工作,它是否足够成熟可靠,能在太空中运行十年而不出问题?
pavel_lishin查看英文原文
> Sedna is expected to pass through the perihelion of its orbit in 2075--2076 and then move again away from the Sun. Considering the distances involved, a mission targeting the object would need to be launched "relatively" soon, especially if using conventional propulsion systems, which could require up to 30 years of deep-space travel. Sedna's perihelion is ~76 AU - more than twice as far as Pluto, which took New Horizons nearly a decade to reach. Sedna's apehelion is over 500 AU. > The Direct Fusion Drive rocket engine is under development at Princeton University Plasma Physics Laboratory Is it ... is it actually working? How close are they? And even if they get it to work next year, will it be something well-engineered & reliable enough to send it into space for 10 years and expect it to work?
支持认可该概念前景,但追问如何抑制 D/D 聚变产生的中子。
Direct Fusion Drive 是个很有意思的概念,也许一两百年后能用于星际旅行,有活跃研究本身就令人鼓舞。约 5 kg 的推力不算大,但日积月累……这比我过去认为唯一可行的核脉冲推进(Project Orion 式)似乎现实得多。论文有一点我没看明白:聚变引擎如何"选择"D/He3 聚变而非 D/D 聚变?是靠把等离子体温度拉得极高来强制实现,还是仍要应付不想要的 D/D 聚变产生的大量中子?
myrmidon查看英文原文
This direct fusion drive is a really interesting concept. Maybe something like this could be used for interstellar travel in a century (or five), it is very encouraging that there is active research on it. ~5kg of thrust is not a lot, but over time... This sounds significantly more feasible than nuclear pulse propulsion ("project orion" style) which I used to think was the only feasible approach to get to another star. One thing that was unclear from the paper to me: How does the fusion drive "pick" D/He3 fusion over D/D? Can this be "forced" by just cranking the plasma temperature way up? Or do you still just have to deal with a bunch of neutrons from undesired D/D fusion?
补充提议用大量廉价微型探测器组网替代单一大型任务。
为什么不在一段较长的时间(几个月到几年)里,用某种发射装置连续发射成百上千个微型网状探测器?单个探测器不需要很强,只要有大型网状网络,每个的成本大约只相当于一部手机。
stevenAthompson查看英文原文
Why dont they just launch a string of hundreds or thousands of tiny mesh probes out of a canon over a longer period of months or years? They dont need to be powerful if you have a big mesh network and each probe would only need to cost about what a cell phone does.
亲历补充在轨实例 OTP-2 及其聚变增强推进器的进展与挫折。
在轨的 OTP-2 卫星已搭载两套新型推进系统,一套基于非牛顿推进器,另一套基于离子推进——后者是"聚变增强"的。该公司的 FireStar Drive 是一种以水为燃料的脉冲等离子体推进器,利用某种无中子核聚变来提升性能。我密切观察其轨道数据,看高度是否有增加。这是他们的第二颗卫星,第一颗因高压电源问题始终没能测试推进器。
mikewarot查看英文原文
Already in orbit is OTP-2, which has 2 novel drive systems, one based on non-Newtonian thrusters, and the other based on an ION drive.[1] Edit: The latter is "Fusion enhanced"[3] The company’s the FireStar Drive uses is a water-fueled pulsed plasma thruster that uses a form of aneutronic nuclear fusion to boost its performance. I watch the orbital observations closely to see if any altitude is being gained.[2] This is their second satellite in orbit, the first one had high voltage power supply issues so they never got to try the thruster. [1] https://www.nanosats.eu/sat/otp-2 [2] https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/graph-orbit-data.php?CATNR=63235 [3] https://www.aerospacetestinginternational.com/news/space/rocketstar-tests-fusion-enhanced-in-space-propulsion-process.html
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