经济与社会科学2024arxiv.org
为什么现在找工作这么难?幽灵职位登场
Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs
入门 · 约 30 分钟读完前置知识:美国技术招聘流程基础、绿卡/OPT/H1B 工作签证常识
导读
这篇论文研究“幽灵职位”(ghost jobs)现象——即公司发布但并无真实招聘意图的职位,并探讨为何当前求职变得如此困难。论文分析了这类虚假招聘的成因与影响,评论中提到的典型场景包括为满足绿卡申请的劳工证明要求而发布的职位、以及为内定人选走流程的公开招聘。
HN 关注点:是因为许多人亲身经历过投简历石沉大海,讨论焦点在于幽灵职位背后的动机(如绿卡流程合规、人才储备)以及它对求职市场的信任侵蚀。
HN 评论精选
这几条评论里:质疑 2 亲历 2
亲历亲历者解释:幽灵职位常是绿卡劳工证明合规要求,但即使面试者优秀也不会被录用
我不得不发布幽灵职位并面试所有申请者,因为每个直系下属申请绿卡时,我都必须证明该职位有没有合适的居民或公民可以胜任。主要问题是:即使面试者表现出色、是位优秀的工程师,我也不想解雇我的 OPT/H1B 团队成员——他们还能合法工作 2-3 年。所以我会拒绝提交绿卡申请,但也不会录用那位面试者。
shmatt查看英文原文
I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So while I will deny their green card application and not submit it, I also won’t hire the interviewee
亲历亲历者指出另一种情况:为内定人选走流程的公开招聘
我曾申请过一个与我的资历完美匹配的职位——职位描述简直像是照着我的简历写的。但我连面试机会都没得到,很可能没人得到。不过那不是幽灵职位,而是为某个他们想招的人量身定制的岗位。作为公共机构,他们被要求公开招聘,但这不代表他们真的想要任何申请者。
bradley13查看英文原文
I once applied for a job that precisely matched my qualifications. It was crazy - the job description could have been written by someone looking at my CV. I didn't even get an interview. Likely no one did. It wasn't a ghost job, though. It was a position created for a someone they wanted to hire. Being a public institution, they were required to advertise positions. That didn't mean that they actually wanted any of the candidates who applied.
质疑质疑:虚假招聘泛滥会让求职者彻底退出市场,作者本人已放弃求职转向个人项目
看着这些虚假或投毒的职位和漫长的自动化申请流程,我一直在想:到什么时候人们会认为这口井已经被污染了?即彻底放弃申请,无论是对特定公司还是整个市场,因为很明显根本不存在一个真实的招聘市场。我之所以问这个问题,是因为我自己已经过了这个临界点,转而把全部时间投入到个人事业上。
oriel查看英文原文
A question I've had on my mind for a while now, watching this progression of fake or poisoned jobs, and miles of automatic systems to navigate: At what point do people consider the well poisoned? Where they just check out and stop applying, to specific companies or in general, because its very very obvious that there isnt actually a valid hiring market at all. I ask this question, because I've already passed this threshold, and have instead devoted the maximum of my time to personal ventures.
质疑质疑概念界定:很多情况是机会主义招聘而非真正的幽灵职位
幽灵职位和机会主义招聘有什么区别?我从没见过我所在的团队发布毫无招聘意图的职位,也从没参与过没有录用意图的面试。但我见过团队发布职位,只是打算在遇到意外优秀的申请者时才录用。
changoplatanero查看英文原文
What’s the difference between a ghost job and opportunistic hiring? I’ve never seen any team I work for put out a job posting with no intention of hiring and I’ve certainly never participated in interviewing a candidate where there is no intention to hire. However, I have seen my team put out a job posting where we only intend to hire if we get an applicant that is unexpectedly good.
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