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在维尔吉纳王室墓葬中确认亚历山大大帝的长袍？
Alexander the Great's tunic identified in royal tomb at Vergina?
入门 · 约 45 分钟读完前置知识：古希腊史基础、考古学基本方法
导读
论文试图论证在希腊 Vergina 皇家墓葬中发现的一件织物是亚历山大大帝的 tunic（束腰外衣），把墓葬出土物与古代文献记载及身份线索对应起来。评论多将其视为推测性很强的身份认定，并质疑论文的证据链和措辞严谨性。
HN 关注点：HN 读者被“找到亚历山大大帝衣物”的话题吸引，但讨论焦点是这类考古身份认定是否证据充分、是否过度推断。
HN 评论精选
这几条评论里：质疑 3
质疑认为该认定只是弱猜想，远非定论。
我没想到这种希腊议题会在这里上头条。看来亚历山大大帝确实被全球接受了。但我要说明，据我读到的内容，这只是一个猜想，而且不是很强的猜想。
gargalatas查看英文原文
I would never expect such a Greek matter would become headline in here. Turns out that Alexander the Great was globally accepted. But let me clarify from what I have read that it's just a conjecture and not a very strong one.
质疑质疑“sacred”一词，追问亚历山大是否被视为神以及该措辞是否严谨。
引文提到“属于法老和亚历山大大帝的神圣波斯 mesoleucon sarapis”。sacred 意味着宗教性或神圣性。亚历山大大帝虽然非常有名，但在他之后有人真的视他为神吗？比如人们很敬佩林肯，却不会把林肯和神性联系起来。另有评论说作者母语可能不是英语，所以 sacred 也许用得不准；但即便英语母语者也可能不精确或夸张地使用它（这大概不该出现在已发表研究里）。不过我觉得有意思的是，一点过度热情和术语上的微妙变化就能改变人们对某人的看法。补充一句：这里是一位现代历史学家把 sarapis 称为神圣的。为什么？对谁而言神圣？
mmooss查看英文原文
> the sacred Persian mesoleucon sarapis which belonged to Pharaoh and King Alexander the Great [italicizing added] sacred means something religious or divine. While Alexander the Great is very famous, does or did anyone who came after consider Alexander to be divine? For example, while people very much admire Abraham Lincoln, nobody would associate Lincoln with divinity. Another comment says that English may not be the first language of the author, so perhaps 'sacred' wasn't meant precisely. And it could be used, even by an English speaker, imprecisely (hopefully not in published research) or in an exaggerated fashion (also probably doesn't belong in published research). Still, I find it interesting how a little overenthusiasm and subtle shift in terminology can change perceptions of someone. EDIT: Better stated: Here is a modern historian calling the sarapis sacred. Why? Sacred to whom?
质疑质疑证据链薄弱，并对作者回应批评者的方式表示不安。
有资格评估这篇论文学术稳健性的人能说说吗？我只扫了几段，但很惊讶看到类似“男性骨架有膝伤，因此确证是腓力”和“女性骨架18岁，因此证明是克利奥帕特拉，因为史料说她年轻”这样的说法（转述）。这就是“证明”所需的全部吗？难道不可能只是巧合，是另一个膝伤者和另一个约18岁的人？还是考古学证明一件事只需要这样？把2和2凑一起就得出克利奥帕特拉？后面似乎还有针对其他研究者的近乎人身攻击的内容，那些研究者显然批评过作者的工作，这让我惊讶（“Prag、Musgrave和Neave继续争辩我对Cyna保持沉默……好像这是什么重要问题”）。这是合法的研究吗？
mattlondon查看英文原文
Is anyone qualified to weigh in on the academic robustness of this? I only scanned a few bits but I was surprised to see statements like "the male skeleton had a knee injury, thus conclusively proving it was Philip" and "the female skeleton was 18 therefore proving it was Cleopatra since sources say she was young". (Paraphrasing) Etc etc. Is that all it takes to "prove" something? Could it not just be coincidence and it was someone else with a knee injury and some other ~18 year old? Or is that as far as we need to go in archeology to prove something? Put 2 and 2 together and come up with Cleopatra? There also seems to be some sort of almost personal/ad hominem type stuff later on about other researchers who apparently criticised the author's work which surprised me ("Prag, Musgrave, and Neave continue to argue that I remain silent about Cyna ... as if it is an important issue"...) Is this legit research?
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