神经科学与心理学2019nature.com
裸盖菇素影响下的冥想研究
A Study of Meditation Under the Influence of Psilocybin
入门 · 约 45 分钟读完前置知识:致幻剂药理学基础、冥想练习常识
导读
这篇发表于 Nature Scientific Reports 的论文研究了裸盖菇素(psilocybin)对冥想体验的影响,探讨致幻剂与冥想结合是否产生协同效应。作者指出此前这类协同作用及相关状态与特质预测因素缺乏实验研究,因此开展了对照实验来填补这一空白。
HN 关注点:HN 读者长期关注冥想与致幻剂对意识的影响,讨论焦点在于两者结合是相辅相成还是会形成依赖、扭曲冥想修行的本质。
HN 评论精选
这几条评论里:质疑 2 补充 1 亲历 1
质疑警告致幻剂会让冥想产生依赖,偏离如实观照当下的本质
将致幻剂与冥想结合存在一个现实风险:会让冥想练习形成条件反射,变得必须依赖致幻剂才有效。不服药时冥想,人会试图重现或执着于之前体验过的愉悦感受和念头,这反而切断了如实观照当下的能力。正如冈波巴(1153 年圆寂)所说:不受干扰的平常心即是冥想,假以时日自会领悟。
omarchowdhury查看英文原文
Combining psychedelics with meditation opens the very real risk of conditioning one's meditation practice to require psychedelics to have any efficacy. When not taking psychedelics and meditating one will attempt to re-create or grasp after the pleasant sensations and thoughts previously experienced, which severs one from looking into the present moment as it is. This undistracted state of [the] ordinary mind is the meditation. One will understand it in due course. Gampopa (d. 1153)
补充推荐《Zen and the Brain》作为冥想与致幻剂研究的延伸阅读
推荐一本书:《禅与大脑——对冥想与意识的理解》(Zen and the Brain),作者 James H. Austin 是神经学荣休教授、神经学家、研究者兼禅修者。据我所记,书中涉及致幻剂的作用及其与冥想的比较,但没有讲服药冥想。个人经历部分易读,神经科学和化学部分较难,参考文献部分对做研究很有价值。
DharmaSci查看英文原文
A book suggestion: Zen and the Brain – Toward an Understanding of Meditation and Consciousness By James H. Austin https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/zen-and-brain (Austin is a professor emeritus of neurology, neurologist, researcher, and Zen practitioner) Austin covers the effect of psychedelics and their effects relative to meditation but nothing about meditation on drugs if I remember correctly. The personal parts are easy to read. Neuroscience and chemistry are much harder. The reference and source notes section is valuable if you are doing research.
亲历亲历者称内观训练能显著提升对裸盖菇素体验的掌控力
我试过几次内观(Vipassana)与裸盖菇素结合。内观带来的觉察让你对裸盖菇素的效果有更强的觉察和控制力。就像裸盖菇素是摩托车,内观让你变成职业车手——完全是另一个层次。以前你只是在自家后院绕圈玩,现在可以上高速去法国了。
swayvil查看英文原文
I tried a combination of Vipassana and Psilocybin a couple of times. The awareness that comes with Vipassana gives you greater awareness of (and control over) the Psylocybin effect. Like Psilocybin is a motorcycle and Vipassana makes you into a pro rider. It a whole other level. Like, before you were doing donuts in your backyard, but now you can drive on the highway and visit France.
质疑质疑论文'首次研究'的说法,指出 1962 年 Marsh Chapel 实验早已做过类似研究
论文说'其可能的协同效应及相关状态与特质预测因素从未被实验研究过'。可 Marsh Chapel 实验早就做过(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Chapel_Experiment),严格说那是关于宗教体验而非冥想。但当我听到'以前没人做过'而不是'过去有类似研究,我们的不同之处在于……'时,我的 BS 探测器就响得很厉害。
kleer001查看英文原文
"However, neither their possible synergistic effects, nor related state and trait predictors have been experimentally studied." Well, you know, there was the Mash Chapel Experiment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Chapel_Experiment Technically it was about religious experience, not mediation. But my BS detectors go off pretty strong when I hear "No one's ever done this before." instead of "Here's some things done in the past that are like what we're doing, but here's how we're different."
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